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John Tropea has a couple of posts that echo one of my last posts about ad hoc groups, and I think he’s right when he says OPML is the vehicle to achieve this.
He says:
Now what I say is why do we have to go to MyBlogLog to see all this when the Recent Reader widget could be an annotated Grazr widget, like Twazr.
I’ll go one better I think. Why do you even need to go to your own site? Why not a dynamic feed in your reader? Or better yet, both.
And,
Further to this a Grazing List is an ever changing list of feeds, and this is what the MyBlogLog Recent Readers widget is, a perpetual changing list of people/blogs based on these people/blogs visiting your blog site
Yup, and why not a dynamic feed based upon conversations you are in as well? Every RSS item is open and two-way, to whatever extent you wish. Comments are dead.
Lastly, he is frustrated about these services not working together and accepting the de facto standard for reading lists, OPML,
can’t I just plug in this OPML into a service, just like SYO.
I hear ya. IF we can make some progess on Identity and the use of XRI for discoverable services about oneself, I don’t think you or I should even have to upload our OPML. Just keep one file up to date and all sorts of services can use it.
Voila!, ad hoc groups based upon your Glists (Grazing Lists, Reading Lists, Listening Lists, Viewing Lists)
OPML heads and job-seekers may wish to look at the open job directory’s free data:
http://freecruiter.com
The OPML is at http://freecruiter.com/directory/
OPML, RSS, REST and XML-RPC API’s are available.
Perfect for readers that subscribe to OPML like BlogBridge or for OPML browsers like Grazr.
Right now source include Monster, Hotjobs, Craigslist and Edgeio, but more importantly businesses, like Edelman and O’Reilly.
The businesses that publish their own job feeds are where the interesting disintermediation aspects lie.
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I’m hoping part two of the latest Gillmor Gang will prove more interesting.
If you remember the Jason and the Argonauts tale, you might know how Jason succeeded in conquest over the Seed men by casting a stone at one, who thought it was his neighbor, and letting them all kill each other.
That’s what Steve Gillmor seems to do by letting the fellas discuss the importance of Google algorithms and whether site owners can get a cut by having search engines bid for their site search.
If Steve would have put the “knockoff” Cheerios down for a sec I know what he would have said.
It’s not whether Google’s algorithms hold up, it’s whether they can garner more stock in the conversation with all their attention data.
The winners of the future are not the best technologies. We’ll all be able to plug into those the same way we plug into an electrical outlet.
The winners are the services which add value to the conversations happening throughout distributed web networks.
These networks and conversations are fluid and changing constantly in response to our gestures.
Those who don’t get this are either thinking too hard or just not enough.
In a similar way that facial and hand gestures are a meaningful supplement to spoken conversations, the gestures which we talk about with attention are the metadata of the conversations happening on the web.
That equates to economic power because markets are conversations.
I agree with Jason Calacanis that many in the SEO business are trying to game this system, but I disagree when he says the system works. People are trying to game the system because it does not work. It just works better than the previous systems.
I can prove it Jason. I’ll write a better piece on a new cell phone than Engadget and see which shows up higher on Google.
No. Those dynamics are only part of the game.
The richer system envelops us with answers using our data and our network’s data in a chameleon like fashion, never static like Google. That’s child’s play.
Jason(Argonaut) succeeded in getting the Golden Fleece but was fickle and left Medea for another Princess.
Likewise, in the shorter term companies may succeed by amassing link attention.
The true winners won’t be seeking the Golden Fleece at all. They will be removing the barriers and letting the crystal waters flow in, filtered and clean, Pure Conversation.
The Human Rights Amnesty report claims the war on terror is draining attention from other issues.
Perhaps the governments of the world need to join GestureBank. They gotta be in it to win it.
Then, apply a filter based upon the anonymous pool of attention metadata and figure this all out.
There are some important discussions happening this week about open formats for attention metadata.
ET better phone home because the clock is ticking on everybuddy. The “Duh” Vinci code is unraveling.
I’m closing comments soon. My contact info is mobile:203.219.5159 email:mattatglistndotcom IM:mterenzio@gmail
So, Im back from RSS Alley and OPML Camp today.
I did not blog from the conference simply because the conversations were so rich and thought provoking that I didn’t want to only give them partial attention.
Attention itself was in fact a big topic and there is some big news coming our way on that topic. Other topics included namespaces, the spec, RDF and tags. Oh and Second Life seemed to permeate the breaks. I even talked a little on SSE, and I think we might see some progess on SSE used with OPML soon.
Special thanks must go to Adam Green, who did a great job organizing and Berkman for hosting, and Halley Suitt and the Top Ten Sources folks for hosting the party.
And if Dave Winer is listening, we all thanked you for RSS and OPML in general. Great work.
The whole weekend was truly inspirational.
But speaking of conversations and attention, this one is nearly over for me.
Perhaps a couple transitional posts and I’ll be moving on.
A couple things are for sure. OPML and Reading Lists (Glists if you ask me, Beeds if you ask James Corbett) have a huge future. Attention and gestures have a huge future. Grazr has a huge future and Second Life-like environments have a huge future. I’d like to be in the middle of it all.
Or I could just hang out on the podcast.com platform(search for podcast in second life) and listen to streaming music.
Either way.
Halley Suitt asked the crowd to define reading lists at OPML camp. I didn’t get all the answers but here are a few.
reading lists are. . .
OPML docs that point to RSS feeds- per dave winer
A group of recommended sources selected on a topic by an editor
An explicit representation of attention
high altitude snapshot of atttention
the good blogs I like
like my bookshelves-people see what I read and care
collection of pointers
sources of information on the live web (me)
a list of things to read
I stumbled across a document from Oct. 31, 2005. I don’t remember writing it, and I’m not sure where I was going, but here it is, in it’s less than half baked form:
Peer to Peer social networking is the greatest threat and opportunity facing media companies today.
The ultimate landing point for web information distribution and the conversation marketplace is a converged Instant and Stored messaging and conferencing platform which allows asyncrhronous filesharing.
Ton Zijstra points out that , “ a good way to build strategies that do work in information abundance, is t taking the social context of information into account.”
In this user-centric web, we take the social context of information and provide the most direct path to that information. All unnecessary intermediaries will be removed.
I am pursuing attention.xml as a tool for group moderation. One possible implementation is a group of individuals agreeing that a tagspace be used for a specific purpose and a common attention.xml be used to moderate that space, in either a standalone fashion or by merging it with one’s own attention.xml.
I kinda like what I was getting at, though I’d probably replace Attention.xml with OPML or Glists-reading lists(I can feel the RDF guys cringe)
Here is a link to Ton post I must have been reading.
This certainly gets the Alex Barnett bonus tag: whathehellisallthisabout
Scott Johnson has some sensible advice for River of News fans.
Does anyone actually organize their readers with numerous groupings and then actually use them?
The idea seems so foreign to me, but I’m not really an organized person.
I tried to organized into groups but just slipped into River of News style of reading unintentionally.
MC Hammer, Steve Rubel, and James Corbett just flow in together.
GestureBank, as many of you have probably heard is an interesting new project being evangelized by Steve Gillmor.
I’m contributing my clickstream as of moments ago. Still not sure how the recorder can contribute to Root.net as well. I’ll have to take a second look at that.
Where all of this will take us, we shall see.
My guess: The way GTalk’s jabber based open architecture will slowly melt down the IM silos, projects like GestureBank will melt down the silos of marketing data.
I don’t even think Steve fully realizes what potential that holds for individuals of the world.
This will spawn unforseen applications and networks,. I even have a few in mind already. ; )
What is James Corbett up to?
It almost looks like he just created a model for a distibuted marketplace using reading lists, known to cool people as beeds and to others as glists.
I tend to be excitable so I’m going to spend the rest of the night thinking about this before I comment on whether I think this is a big deal.
In the mean time, I’m going to spend 1.5 hours on Second Life. If I can’t see the big deal in that amount of time, it isn’t for me (but I typically miss boats - I always liked U2, but it took me till Joshua Tree to recognize they were more than an 80’s band)
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